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All Things Considered

'Raising Ali' Remembers The Worst Mess in the History of Sports
(May 22, 2015)
Duration: 0:08:00
(50th anniversary of the Muhammad Ali / Sonny Liston Championship fight in Lewiston Main, on May 25, 1965. Phil Gries recording of the fight on WHN Radio is used throughout this segment).

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ROBERT SIEGEL, HOST:

Monday is the 50th anniversary of what's been called the worst of mess in the history of sports. It happened in Lewiston, Maine.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING BY PHIL GRIES)
JOHNNY ADDIE: The main event, 15 rounds, for the heavyweight championship of the world.

SIEGEL: It was a re-match. The challenger was the former champion.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
ADDIE: Sonny Liston.

SIEGEL: In the other corner, the champ, who had recently changed his name.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
ADDIE: Muhammed Ali.
(APPLAUSE)

SIEGEL: Previously known as Cassius Clay, the ring announcer, Johnny Addie, used Ali's new name there. But throughout that night's radio broadcast of the match, the sportscasters called him by the name Ali had abandoned.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
RUSS HODGES: Cassius Clay, who's shadowboxing right above us, weighs...

SIEGEL: This is what I heard that night on New York radio station WHN. I was almost 18 and wouldn't have missed a heavyweight title fight. Twenty-two-year-old Phil Gries was listening too. He made this recording.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
RUSS HODGES: The referee has called the two fighters to the center of the ring, and let's listen to the instructions.

SIEGEL: The most amazing thing about this fight before it began was that it was in Lewiston, a small Maine mill town. It was supposed to be in Boston, but the DA there wouldn't have it. There were fears of organized crime being involved. There was a rumored death threat against Ali by members of the Nation of Islam.

GARY ROBINOV: So they scrambled to find a new venue, and most states wouldn't touch it.

SIEGEL: Gary Robinov has made a documentary about the fight and its lasting effect on Lewiston. He says the fight organizers scrambled because tickets had already been sold for closed-circuit telecasts of the bout.

ROBINOV: And got hold of a gentleman by the name of Sam Michael. Sam was a pawnbroker and former economic growth counselor in Lewiston, and he was also a small-town fight promoter. And they got hold of Sam, and Sam got hold of the then-state boxing commissioner, George Russo, and they both got in touch with the governor. The governor agreed to let the fight be held there, and the governor signed the announcement on May 7. So these guys had, you know, 17, 18 days to put together a world heavyweight championship fight in Lewiston, Maine.

SIEGEL: In a city of about 40,000 people, in an arena that had only 2,500 paying customers - and such a mess. It began with the Broadway star Robert Goulet singing "The Star-Spangled Banner." I can remember this.

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JOHNNY ADDIE: Ladies and gentlemen, our national anthem.

ROBERT GOULET: (Singing) O, say can you see by the dawn's early night...

ROBINOV: That's true. There are several stories behind it - that he had been entertained by family and friends before the fight and maybe had a couple of cocktails. Another was that he was so nervous, being Canadian, that he had written the lyrics on the palm of his hand. And he was so nervous and sweating that they blurred on the palm of his hand. But he got out of sync with the organist and messed up a couple of words, and it followed him for the rest of his life.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
GOULET: (Singing) O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
(APPLAUSE)

SIEGEL: So the night begins with a bungled "Star-Spangled Banner," and then comes one of the strangest heavyweight title bouts that anyone ever saw, or like me, heard, on the radio.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
VAN PATRICK: There's the bell and here's Russ Hodges.

RUSS HODGES: And Clay throws a right hand to the head of - scores right away. Comes into the left and crosses with the right.

SIEGEL: What went on? How long did it last?

ROBINOV: It varies. The punch - or the phantom punch as it's referred to - occurred at a minute 44 into the first round.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
HODGES: Liston now, his head bobbing, and goes to his knees...

ROBINOV: There's mass confusion caused by a calamity of events, one of them being that Jersey Joe Walcott, the former heavyweight champ, was actually the referee night. And being a little inexperienced in that capacity, got out of sync with the official knockdown timekeeper. Muhammad Ali didn't immediately go to a usual corner, which delayed the count. And by the time things got rolling, we're about a minute 56 in. Liston's back up, and the two fighters re-engage. They actually fought. Most people don't realize that those guys actually started fighting again.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
HODGES: Goes to the left to the top of the head now...

ROBINOV: And at that point, Liston is beckoned over to the timekeepers, and it's actually a gentleman by the name of Nat Fleischer, was sitting behind the knockdown timekeeper.

SIEGEL: A famous man in the world of boxing.

ROBINOV: Yeah, he's the editor - founder and editor of Ring magazine. And he is waving his arms saying, he's been down for more than 10, he's been down for more than 10. This fight is over.
So actually, in some strange way, the editor of Ring magazine officially called the fight over.

SIEGEL: (Laughter).

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
HODGES: Now here comes Jersey Joe Walcott...

JERSEY JOE WALCOTT: He's out.

HODGES: ...And says it's all over. And it is all over and they are going wild in the center of the ring.

SIEGEL: I'm trying to imagine what it was like for the people of Lewiston, Maine to have in there, in this town of about 40,000 people, a huge press corps. There were hundreds of reporters there, yeah?

ROBINOV: Yeah, there was about 600 reporters. The arena held about 4,500 people. They sold 2,400 tickets. They figure with press, people that snuck in, vendors and the like - the tickets they gave away - about 4,000 people were present.

SIEGEL: In addition to the quantity of people who were there, there were some superstars.

ROBINOV: Yeah, the Cinderella Man was there, James J. Braddock. It was an amazing parade, a who's who of boxing dignitaries. Add to that Liz Taylor, Frank Sinatra, Jackie Gleason, celebrities from all around the country and the world are flying into this little town, Lewiston, Maine, to attend the world heavyweight championship, the biggest title in all of boxing held in the smallest town ever, to the smallest-attended audience ever and the whole thing's over in a minute, 44 seconds - or two minutes and two seconds, depending who you ask.

SIEGEL: (Laughter).

ROBINOV: And by the time they're seated and sipping on their first beer or adjusting their coats, the fight's over.

SIEGEL: Gary Robinov, thanks a lot for talking with us.

ROBINOV: It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much, Robert.

SIEGEL: Maine filmmaker, Gary Robinov. His documentary about the fight and Lewiston is called "Raising Ali." It will be premiering Monday on Maine Public Broadcasting and in a venue on the site where the actual fight took place.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
MUHAMMED ALI: Didn't I tell the world that I had a surprise? And that if I told you the surprise, you would not come to the fight? With me was almighty Allah and his messenger and I've been saying my prayers regular, living a righteous life.

STEVE ELLIS: Right.

ALI: And as you see what happened.

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